Greenspan: H-1B cap would make US workers 'privileged elite'

By Patrick Thibodeau, Computerworld |  Career, H-1B visa, outsourcing 12 comments

Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan Thursday offered a spirited defense of the controversial H-1B program, telling a U.S. Senate subcommittee that the visa quota is "far too small to meet the need," and that it protects U.S. workers from global competition, creating a "privileged elite."

Greenspan, testifying on immigration reform before the Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security and Citizenship, said more skilled immigration was needed "as the economy copes with the forthcoming retirement wave of skilled Baby Boomers."

This hearing was called by subcommittee chairman, U.S. Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), to encourage the U.S. senate to take up immigration, despite the economy. Greenspan was the marquee witness.

Greenspan provided a list of reasons for increasing skilled competition. One in particular, would help fix a problem -- the housing bubble -- that grew on his watch as Fed chair, a position he held from 1987 to 2006.

Skilled workers from overseas "will, out of necessity, move into vacant housing units; the current glut of which is depressing prices of American homes," said Greenspan. In 2005 Greenspan characterized rising housing prices as "froth."

But what will likely be the most controversial aspect of Greenspan argument will be his call for more wage competition.. He said that increasing the numbers of skilled workers from "would address the increasing concentration of income in this country," he said.

"Greatly expanding our quotas for the highly skilled, would lower wage premiums over lesser skilled," said Greenspan. "Skilled shortages in America exist because we are shielding our skilled labor force from world competition,' he said.

Greenspan said Visa quotas, "have been substituted for the wage pricing mechanism. In the process we have created a privilege elite whose incomes are being supported at non-competitively high levels by immigration quotas on skilled professionals," he said. "Eliminating such restrictions would reduce at least some of the income inequality."

The views cited by Greenspan are in sharp dispute. H-1B opponent say there is no skills shortages, and the H-1B visa has been used to reduce wages, especially by replacing older workers with younger workers from overseas. One recent study found that H-1B workers are depressing wages for some occupations, including programmers.

Greenspan cited failures in the U.S. educational system, in part, for the need to bring in more foreign workers. He cited the high percentages of foreign graduates of advance degree programs.

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY), who chairs the Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security and Citizenship, cited the role in of immigration in the U.S. economic development. "Because of immigration, Google, Yahoo, Intel and eBay, are American success stories," he said. "In New York, one quarter of all business of immigrant owned."

Similarly, Sen. John Cornyn, (R-Texas), said the U.S. should "offer more visas to highly skilled students who have studied at our colleges and universities and when then can't work here they go back to their native land and they compete with us and create jobs there rather than here, in the United States."

Sens. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill), recently introduced legislation that would restrict the use of the H-1B visas. The measure is particularly aimed at offshore outsourcing companies, and would require them to increase the size of their U.S. workforces under a rule that would prohibit them with having more than 50% of their workforce from using H-1B or L-1 visas, which are used for company transfers. They argue that the visa is displacing workers.

12 comments

    Anonymous 2 years ago
    Unchecked where is this going? The definitive work on the impact of cheap labor was done in 1857 by Hinton Rowan Helper. He published a book titled “The Impending Crisis of the South” in which he argued that slavery (the ultimate cheap labor) hurt the economic prospects of non-slaveholders, and was an impediment to the growth of the entire region of the South. In the South, Hinton Helper says: “We want Bibles, brooms, buckets and books, and we go to the North; . . . we want toys, primers, school books, fashionable apparel, machinery, medicines, tombstones, and a thousand other things, ED HardyCheap ED HardyED Hardy ClothesED Hardy Shoesed hardy saleand we go to the North for them all.”In the antebellum South plantation owners and the merchants who supported them prospered. Everybody else just got by. There was no advantage for a non-slave to have any skill that could be done by a slave. Are we headed for an economy in which multinational corporation leaders and those who support them prosper and everybody else just gets by? That is where Greenspan is taking us.
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    mburton325 2 years ago
    The one thing I haven't seen in the comments is mention of the diploma mill known as India. Although their programmers tend to be very good that is where it stops. The support side, the people that are supposed to maintain networks and equipment is lacking. If you go away from their script the become completely lost and ask again for information you have given them two, three or four times already. This is reason one that outsource and H-1B is a failure. Two as stated economically it is a disaster. Retail companies depend heavily on the middle class professional to make higher end purchases in order to survive. By cutting wages due to increased competition by those that willing work for less the middle class worker can't purchase the higher end merchendise as he/she has now become lower middle class and typically lives check to check. The sad part is their are professional out there with more knowledge and experience that are being replaced all in the name of "The Bottom Line". What is not looked at is the old saying, "You get what you paid for." Greenspan is part of the drive for globalization, he always has been always will. Anyone connected to the Federal Reserve Bank is connected. The Federal Reserve was set up by European Bankers after the recession of 1913 as a way to control the Money of the United States. In simple and logical terms. That is the drive of people like Greenspan and those that support programs like H-1B.
    Anonymous 2 years ago
    What some readers might not know is that Greenspan also advocated increased immigration of unskilled workers as well. Greenspan's bottom line is that the American standard of living is too high to compete in a global market. Greenspan is essentially saying that the only way for America to survive is to lower the standard of living for the vast majority of Americans to third-world levels. The problem I have is that Greenspan isn't even entertaining the idea that Americans might be able to keep a first-world standard of living and still "compete" in a global economy. Greenspan would like to do some social engineering by forcing down wages of the vast majority of Americans with massive immigration of skilled and unskilled workers.Economists on the right-wing of the political spectrum will point out that China and India have had high growth rates in the last decade. What these economists (like Greenspan) fail to note is that the growth rate of these countries is almost entirely due to American and European consumption. China and India have very little domestic consumption and their economies cannot prosper without strong American and European economies. Japan's economy has stagnated for more than a decade because Japan has relied almost entirely on foreign consumption. What Greenspan is advocating will not only destroy the United States economy, but the global economy. Eliminating the American middle-class (aka "the privileged elite") is a recipe for disaster. We are already seeing the impact of a decrease in the standard of living for Americans, and it is absurd to argue that more of this is good for our economy.
    Anonymous 2 years ago
    Hallalujia! As the ecomonmy tanks, he encourages the Senate to deny more opportunities to the professional middle class.He is so out-of-touch with the political winds. Corporate visa programs are being decoupled from immigration. The corporations have lost support for these programs from 2 key political players - Change to Win unions and the National Immigration Forum.Greenspan couldn't see the stock bubble and he couldn't see the housing bubble. Now he can't see the beginning of the end of the corporate visa programs.With an opponent like him, I couldn't ask for anything more.
    Anonymous 2 years ago
    Did he actually say this with a straight face?
    Anonymous 2 years ago
    All I am seeing is a bunch of ignorant comments and no clear argument as to why Greenspan is not making perfect sense.Simple Econ 101. people! Supply and Demand. Americans(some), stop being complacent, get off your bums and compete. If you are that good and worth the pay, the results will speak for themselves. So just stop whining and get a job. If someone else is replacing your job, it simply means one of two things1.they can do it for less pay. 2.they are just plain better than you.If you think you should be paid more...then get serious and make yourself more valuable (for your own good).Again, its called competition. The earlier you sit up and deal with it, the better it will be for you dear country to compete in the global economy.
    Anonymous 2 years ago in reply to Anonymous
    Sorry, we all assumed you knew the economic argument and put the well being of your fellow citizens above that of foreigners. Apparently we are wrong on both counts.Nobel economist Milton Freidman called the H-1B a subsidy because it allowed employers to get workers at reduced cost. Foreign nationals are happy to work for low wages, since they are higher than what they would get in their home countries and more important get a major non-monetary compensation in the form of a citizenship for all children born here, a green card, and later citizenship for themselves and their family. Chain migration it is called. There is no way Americans can compete with the non-monetary compensation. This cost employers nothing.For every American job in the United States there are three English speaking college graduates off shore. If employers were allowed to auction off all American jobs to the lowest bidder all would be taken and positions requiring a college degree would not command more than minimum wage.Unchecked where is this going? The definitive work on the impact of cheap labor was done in 1857 by Hinton Rowan Helper. He published a book titled “The Impending Crisis of the South” in which he argued that slavery (the ultimate cheap labor) hurt the economic prospects of non-slaveholders, and was an impediment to the growth of the entire region of the South. In the South, Hinton Helper says: “We want Bibles, brooms, buckets and books, and we go to the North; . . . we want toys, primers, school books, fashionable apparel, machinery, medicines, tombstones, and a thousand other things, and we go to the North for them all.”In the antebellum South plantation owners and the merchants who supported them prospered. Everybody else just got by. There was no advantage for a non-slave to have any skill that could be done by a slave. Are we headed for an economy in which multinational corporation leaders and those who support them prosper and everybody else just gets by? That is where Greenspan is taking us.
    Anonymous 2 years ago
    I have to buy tires for my FORD! I'm sure Mr. Greenspan being a member of his own "priviledged elite" can afford to have us import economists and lower HIS salary.What kind of s-f-b idiots have been running this country, blindly following "Saint" Alan as he leads us down his Friedman Shock Doctrine path to the destruction of everything that is the United States? We should just keep importing people at the top, to occupy our houses, use our resources, make us import more petroleum and push U.S. citizens out of jobs.After all, we're just some commodity right? What we want, what the CONSTITUTION SAYS OUR GOVERNMENT EXISTS FOR doesn't matter.It exists for STUPID economists who can't see above their own foolish and impetuous ideology to see the STEERING WHEEL TO GUIDE THIS COUNTRY.MR. GREENSPAN, TEAR DOWN THIS H1-B PROGRAM!
    Anonymous 2 years ago
    Mr. Greenspan is from the government and he is here to help multi-nation corporations. American STEM workers are on their own. In the latest recovery plan from central government economic planning when the recession abates corporation will be allowed to hire all the cheap foreign workers they want. With income form the jobs Americans used to have the foreign workers will buy houses that Americans owned back when they had jobs. American stem workers will get MacJobs. All problems solved.
    Anonymous 2 years ago
    Banks couldn't be trusted to issue loans in a responsible manner... will they and other industries do the proper checking to make sure our software development and maintenance is in 'good hands'. Does this idiot understand the power of software and vulnerability we expose ourselves to with their cavalier attitudes. So much of our imports are already 'tainted' by the absence of quality control. If you think an airplane in the hands of Mahammed Atta was dangerous that is nothing compared to putting our software out there to the lowest bidder.
    Anonymous 2 years ago
    Greenspan represents the 'privileged elite' who want to use US immigration policy to depress US workers wages.
    Anonymous 2 years ago
    To think that the country at one time listened to this incompetent fool. Greenspan always was a lightweight regardless of his lofty position. Throw open the borders! That is all we need to start our economic engine. Such stupidlity is how we got into this mess in the first place.

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