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I still do not understand what people have against UAC, or what people are doing on their machines that are so different from me.As a systems administrator, it was nearly impossible for me to run my laptop as a limited user under Windows XP. With Vista and UAC I now happily run as a limited user and elevate my access as needed. Yes, that means I type an account name and password several times a day, but it it worth it for the additional security of not running as Admin.
Most typical users would still run as Admin, meaning they only need to click OK (not actually enter a password) and most users wouldn't need to elevate their access nearly as frequently as I do, so why do people hate it so? After all, I don't here Linux people complaining about needing to sudo all the time.
IF they have made UAC less invasion and still kept it as effective as it is in Vista they that's fine, but if they reduce the security to silence the complainers they are going down a dangerous rat hole.
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I tend to agree with Dano. Also, if people don't like it, there's a nice little link in the control panel for their user profile that turns it off.Although, I do recall hearing that in Win7, there's a slider controlling how often those prompts occur.
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The problem is not just the prompts and the limitations for limited users. The annoyance I've encountered is failed installations, (specifically registering DLLs) when logged in with admin rights. (but not "administrator") No prompt just errors. Either have to disable UAC or directly specify that the app itself not be limited every time before attempting the operation.Re: UAC
I'm using Vista teh same as you are, with a little and very comfortable difference: I'm using MS's fingerprint reader, which makes my life a tad easier. When I need the admin password, I use my middle finger, otherwise for login, I use my pointing finger.Also, if you want to change account, no need for logout/login, only press the reader, and it logs in the one, whose fingerprint matches one of the four trainable fingers. Very nice and very easy, and also not an expensive toy...
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I agree as well. Even the Mac asks for your admin password when installing or entering certain levels on the computer. I honestly don't know what is wrong with Microsoft and why they can't seem to make the public happy. They have so many issues with their OS and they can't seem to pull it together. I was always a PC user and tried Vista once that was it for me. I now use a Mac and I am honestly happy. It's a new world of no issues and its fun. Vista is such a waste and honestly most of the Windows OS systems are a waste but windows hit the market first and the world is use to it. Linux is free and its amazing. Windows had a great run but it seems like they are out of energy.How about the 'Vista Ready' Badge?
Vista has been quite a ride for me. Three computers with it and I downgraded to XP on two of them after fighting numerous problems.My new HP Laptop (Dual Core with 1GB of RAM and NVIDIA Graphics on board) had 'Vista Ready' plastered all over it and I though that it would be a nice little computer. It came with Vista Home Premium Pre-Installed. What a dog,........I tried doubling the memory to 2GB of RAM to no avail. It was the slowest, buggiest computer I ever had. Once Vista SP1 came out, It was totally dependable from then on out, but still way too slow for any productive work flow.
I finally wiped it and installed XP-Professional on it and it's now very fast and dependable. The Vista Ready Badge was a huge farce and turned out to be just a way to part me from my money.
After SP1, the desktops were tolerable and I finally upgraded them to Quad-Core CPU's, 16GB of RAM, and 64Bit Vista ultimate. Now they work as they should.
It's all about Cubic money folks!
Mac's were on the market
Mac's were on the market first but windows gained marketshare a lot faster due to being cheaper and sold by more vendors. Price was the biggest factor though. If you had a mac for $2000 next to a HP for $1400 people went with the HP.That said as far as UAC and Vista go...I simply disabled UAC and haven't had any many complaints since. Vista had its annoyances at first. My biggest issue was the insanely slow file copy times and slow unpackaging of compressed files. That's was since fixed with SP1 a while back and I've actually been quite happy with Vista. The styling is appealing, the features are rich, and I love the sidebar.
That said OSX is still my favorite OS out there. But I feel the Vista hate is way overblown. I think a lot of the hate out there is from people on the "hate everything Microsoft" bandwagon.
Vista- a nightmare
You have to be an expert to use Vista. Anything I tried to install (Webcam, Mouse, Wireless keyboard, Bitdefender...) gave me trouble. It was complicated and extremely slow. Even my PC technicien had trouble. He recommanded me to change Vista for XP. I often use my old PC because Vista is too slow on my laptop. I wish that Microsoft would take responsability for the Poor quality of Vista and give us the opportunity to change for the new version FREE.It's just annoying and
It's just annoying and tedious to go through the prompts when one is not custom to it, but you can always turn it off :)UAC
i agree its a handy thing. case in point. i was on a volunteer trip, and several people asked to use my laptop to check their email. i logged on as guest and let them. one of them comes to me freaked out that my computer had locked up but no, it was the uac stopping some fool internet download from running on my machine. A coworker had sent them a forwarded email. Thank god for the UAC!re:UAC
I question the negative press hype about Vista. The only people I've talked to that dislike Vista don't have it installed on their PCs.I can however understand many companies holding back on upgrades from XP. The rewards for upgrading are more subtle and hard to quantify $ wise because XP works pretty well.
But over time as new computers are purchased it would be silly to skip Vista.
I use multiple PCs on a regular basis. Some have XP, some Vista, some Win 2003 server (and also some Linux, and MacOS). When I'm not on Vista I find myself missing some things that are just done better on that OS.
Little things like the better IP stack make all kinds of things run more quickly and smoothly.
UAC is a little pain, but you can certainly deal with it. Everyone complained for years that MS didn't take security seriously but then they also complain whem MS implements something that verify the user wants a program to do a privilaged operation.
UAC and limited user accounts
I have no problems at all with limited user accounts on windows XP Pro, have no idea about xp home since I have never used it.I am a sysadmin with 120 limited user accounts and they have no problem except for the occasional bitch about not being able to install software.
I run limited xp pro accounts on my personal laptop and desktops with out any problems. I also am running Vista Ultimate 64 on one of my home desktops without any problems with UAC, very little requests which I can take care of with an id and password for an admin account. I like Ultimate 64, very fast and responsive, will admit to having 8 GB ram.
I do not like vista 32 bit, it is not responsive or very fast and yes I turned off UAC on it, was a pain with all the requests plus it did not deliver any benefits over XP pro.
"Vista a waste"?
"Vista is such a waste and honestly most of the Windows OS systems are a waste"OK, I've heard this way too many times to let this go by without comment again.
I use nearly every modern OS in existance as a part of my normal work life. I do not find one substantially better than the others overall. What I do find is that certain things are better in one over the other -- and therefore might please some users over the other.
Pretending that MacOS or Linux are obviously superior to Windows (Vista or not) is just being biased towards your own choice.
I know plenty of Mac lovers. For years they've had to deal with Sad Mac blowups. But a sad mac screen is cute, unlike the Windows blue screen so they think its somehow ok.
And honestly, Linux builds still have a way to go before the bulk of the user community can handle it.
And lets face it, Apple's ability to have complete control over the hardware platform gives it a HUGE advantage over Windows or Linux. A very large portion of the bug issues in Windows are hardware driver related. Same with Linux, or the lack of availability of drivers.
I like Macs, and they certainly have the cool factor for now. But lets face it, Apple gives you much less choice by locking you to their hardware. So I'd prefer to have Windows or Linux.
Why not a Vista fix for UAC now?
Why not release a service pack for Vista that gets rid of the annoying UAC feature? Enough talk, we all hate it. Get rid of it. Each day I live with my Vista, I'm reminded how Microsoft screwed me over. Fix the UAC on Vista.Why not a Vista fix for UAC now?
There is no need for a Vista UAC fix because the fix is already there. Turn it off in the User Accounts control panel. Microsoft didn't "screw you over". They provided an option for those that don't like something about their product. Unlike companies who force you to use only their hardware so that they can lay (false) claim to being bug free. I own a Macbook PC and many Windows PCs. I am a Certified technician for both. Macs are over engineered PCs with some of the same problems as Windows. The fact that they have so many problems with such limited hardware support speaks volumes to the low quality of their programers and testers.UAC Issues - Mostly Developers fault
I've been using Vista since it came out, and was even experimenting with it a bit in Beta. The biggest problem with Vista's UAC is the horribly poor software software installed on it.Many programs are still written to write configuration data within the "Program Files" folder, which is one of the areas protected by UAC (by default). Even enterprise level programs like Lotus Notes or Client Access do this, along with a good number of games that casual users will play. Add to that all the ActiveX controls\Internet Explorer add ons most sites want to install, and I can easily see how the average user would be greatly annoyed by UAC prompts just from casual use. If you install Java so you can view many of the sites out there that use Java, you'll be hit by UAC everytime it wants to update (which seems fairly often).
I understand the point behind UAC, I think it's fairly well thought out, and the architecture behind it has made it pretty simple to run a machine with non-administrative privileges. The development community (all those programmers writing the code we enjoy on our PCs) needs to step up to the plate and realize they're not programming for Windows 95 anymore, the platform has changed several times over since then. Windows is now in it's 6.X implementation, which is a far cry from the 9X or NT3.X many of these applications seem architected towards. If the development community would even step up to writing apps for the NT5.0 kernel (Win2k, which is 9 years old now) UAC would not be the annoyance that it is for 95% of the people that use it.
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I don't understand the hate being placed on uac. I type a password on openSuse and i have no problem with it. Maybe its just the way Microsoft designed it or those who dislike it don't really understand it's purpose. I only used Vista for a few months to test it out before opensuse 11 was released and there is more issues with vista than uac. I think Windows 7 needs more stably and gets better memory management.Only reason why vista sucked for me. If they fix that it should be fine but if 7 needs at least 2 gigs minimum to run then I won't even think about using it let alone buying it.Although if windows 7 would come with kde 4.x preinstalled or a special edition i'd defiantly buy a copy. Everyone knows microsoft loves having many version of their os. Understandable for linux not so much for windows.All they really need is standard,business,and education edition.Lazy People
My XPPro machine died recently and I ended up getting an HP Verde with 64bit Vista. I've had no trouble installing or running the programs I had on my XP machine except one(and the vendor is updating that program).The UAC is behaving the way I thought it was supposed to in XP. I don't find it particularly onerous or difficult if the OS is less vulnerable to attack.
The fact that Elizabeth Montalbano reports this as a flaw or failing says more about the attitudes of these so called experts than the actual behavior of Vista
vista / uac / cpm / lame apple commercials
vista is cool, and not conforming to those lame apple commercials makes me feel even cooler... i turned UAC off and everything works like windows.. what sucks about windows has nothing to do with UAC, but it's that 70's style CP/M command line... nobody likes and nobody uses it and everyone hates it. which brings me to my next point...The linux kernel is by far the best and most optimized o/s .. building drivers into the kernel is really the way things should be done. thus, windows and apple should seriously build compatible gui layers ontop of the linux kernel. There's no reason why we have to have all these different types of executable binaries..
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For all those going off about the article please look at the source.Now with that said. Linux and apple people how many times do you have to log in as admin from a user accout? Another words its time for the the pot to quit calling the kettle black.
After spending the last day and a half in emergency response due to the latest virus I find myself wish we had Vista and the UAC.
OS 10X and Linux is no better or worse then Windows, and this arguement is long past old.
Elizabeth Montalbano do something useful for a change instead of this smearing campaign that you and IT World seems to be on.
UAC rips off Linux
Why don't you just come out and say that Microsoft was blatantly copying Linux (Ubuntu) when they created UAC? I mean, come on - in Ubuntu Linux even if you were the one that setup the PC you have your own account separate from root. If you try to do something on Ubuntu that your privelege does not allow, it prompts you for the "root" password So many things in Vista are blatant rip-offs of both Mac OS X (based on UNIX anyway) and Linux it's not funny - from UAC, to the sidebar, Aero, screen and window effects, and more...the "new" versions of Windows are oh so....COPIED!UAC
run MSCONFIG, go to last tab on right, scroll down to "disable UAC", and reboot. So long sucka!!M$
Windows Vista Sucks and Vista 6.1 AKA Windows 7 Sucks 2 long live the Penguin!!UAC
UAC is a classic example of Microsoft's BIG BROTHER attitude towards computer users. Per Microsoft, even though I bought the dang thing, I don't have the right to use it as I wish, even if that means I screw it up. I've been programming and using computers for over 40 years, and I like to have manual control over them. I appreciate the attempts by Microsoft to provide security for my system, especially where the internet is concerned, but UAC is just over the top. Every time I install a new application, I can't just start it and walk away, because UAC is going to stop it and wait for permission to proceed every time the installer runs a different executable. And then there's apps it just doesn't like because they want to mess with the system like my registry cleaner (RegCure), even though the Windows registry is a total mess, and the Microsoft OS does nothing to manage it, so an aftermarket app is the only way to keep things under control. Anyway, I've disabled UAC on my system, and the world hasn't come to an end. Now, if I could just get Vista to run my legacy DOS apps.........
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