Adobe vs. Apple is going to get uglier

You think things are bad now between Apple and Adobe? Just wait until the lawsuit.

By sjvn  270 comments

Usually I write about security here, but Apple's iron-bound determination to keep Adobe Flash out of any iWhatever device is about to blow up in Apple's face. Sources close to Adobe tell me that Adobe will be suing Apple within a few weeks.

It was bad enough when Apple said, in effect, that Adobe Flash wasn't good enough to be allowed on the iPad. But the final straw was when Apple changed its iPhone SDK (software development kit) license so that developers may not submit programs to Apple that use cross-platform compilers.

Officially, Adobe's not talking about such actions, but there's no question that Adobe is ticked off big time at Apple. I mean how often in print does one company representative say about a former partner, "Go screw yourself Apple," as Lee Brimelow, an Adobe platform evangelist, did on his personal Web site, The Flash Blog. While Adobe had him retract some of his words, and the blog now has a big disclaimer, "[Adobe would like me to make it clear that the opinions below are not the official views of the company and are entirely my own.]" we can be sure that within Adobe's offices far stronger words were used to describe Apple's attitude towards Flash.

For now, Adobe spokesperson Wiebke Lips maintains that "We are aware of the new SDK language and are looking into it. We continue to develop our Packager for iPhone OS technology, which we plan to debut in Flash CS5." Flash CS5, which is part of Adobe Creative Suite 5, arrived on April 12th, but, at this point, it can't be used to create i-device applications.

Indeed, the net effect of Apple's licensing change, according to John Gruber of Daring Fireball, is to make it impossible to use cross-compilers, such as the Flash-to-iPhone compiler in Adobe's upcoming Flash Professional CS5 release. This also bans apps compiled using MonoTouch -- a tool that compiles C# and .NET apps to the iPhone." In other words, Adobe, Microsoft, not only can you not have Adobe Flash or Microsoft Silverlight running natively on an iPod Touch, iPhone, or iPad, you can also forget about creating an iWhatever program that can get around that requirement.

Adobe, the king of Internet video with 95% Web browser market penetration, is not one bit happy about being locked out of Apple's lucrative mobile device market. Novell's MonoTouch group is "reaching out to Apple for clarification on their intention, and believe there is plenty of room for course-correction prior to the final release of the 4.0 SDK." Adobe, which doesn't want to let go of its hold on Internet-based video, isn't anything like as optimistic.

So, unless things change drastically between Apple and Adobe in the next few weeks, from what I'm hearing you can expect to see Adobe taking Apple to court over the issue. It's not going to be pretty.

270 comments

sonydhiman
sonydhiman 15 weeks ago
Great post.. I really appreciate your hard work. Keep it up.
sonydhiman
sonydhiman 14 weeks ago in reply to sonydhiman
Great Post... Thanks for sharing..
seanb209
seanb209 27 weeks ago
Not sure if Apple is trying to play smart business but it seems like they are getting a little out of hand. Now they are trying to sue, Amazon claiming copyright infringement for using the word :App Store". I think that is ridiculous, these big Corps act like little kids.
Anonymous 44 weeks ago
The typical iWhatev buyer doesn't even know what Flash is and won't make purchasing decisions on that basis. But soon competitive companies will make the issue important. A commercial could show an iDevice and a competitor side by side with the competitor playing playing something and the iDevice having Can't-Do screen showing. But the truth is, I don't understand this battle between A & A. What is Apple going to use as an alternative to Flash? I also don't understand the grounds of the expected legal challenge. What are the grounds for Adobe to sue Apple? Without establishing Apple as a monopoly and using antitrust arguments, I don't see how Adobe can force Apple to allow Flash. The articles I've read don't say how the suit would work. Naturally, the suit hasn't been filed yet, so this is understandable, but at least the articles should speculate. ~~~{
Anonymous 1 year ago
Both of them are famous brands in the world. Of course they are and will versus each other. Competition makes them grow up. Adobe is my favour photo software, while ipad is my favour media gadget, including dvd to ipad converter. Looking forward of their more achievements.
Anonymous 1 year ago
Thank you for your post, it is helpful to us...Come on...
Anonymous 1 year ago
Good post...Adobe vs. Apple is going to get uglier...I like apple an d adobe...I learn many useful things here.
Anonymous 1 year ago
Adobe Flash is a very buggy peace of software when we're talking about it under Linux (Ubuntu, for example) or Apple Mac OS. I totally and brutally agree with Apple's politics. If Adobe betters its software, it will be run under Mac OS. If not... Good morning HTML5 and Google.
Anonymous 1 year ago
Well, Apple is wrong on this one. Apple does not have enough penetration across the wide Web marketplace to keep within its proprietary realm. Far too many active & popular Website use Flash for video.Apple shouldn't let itself be taken to court over this issue.Of course, these days I wouldn't count Apple out on any issue. The 2nd & 3rd generation of iPad will probably be where I jump into the Apple world again. Hopefully by then this will be a non-issue.
Anonymous 1 year ago
either Adobe kills Apple, or Apple kills Adobe-ouch! if Adobe kills Apple, all is well. Designers like myself can use PC. If Apple kills Adobe... hmm... big problem!3rd outcome, just make up!
Anonymous 1 year ago
I have decided to move to android....
Anonymous 1 year ago
Adobe has no legal standing. Flash sucks. It's for lazy developers and is a dying platform. It causes more crashes then pretty much any other software. And frankly, Apple is moving the major web players toward the open HTML5, which is a good thing. I've been using my iphone and ipad and rarely do I ever hit a site where Flash is needed. With the exception of a few video sites, and some facebook games, its not really needed. And many of those sites are developing APPS anyway.I also want to point out which side has the bigger warchest. Adobe will lose and they will lose an ass load of money in the process.The big question is CS5 the POS CS4 was.
Anonymous 1 year ago
The only good product Adobe makes is Photoshop. They need Apple more than Apple needs them. I don't miss having flash on my iPhone. Hopefully flash will die sooner than later.

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