Vista's flaws surface again on eve of Windows 7 beta

By Elizabeth Montalbano, IDG News Service |  Windows, Microsoft, Vista 28 comments

Attendees of the International Conference on Cyber Security 2009 in New York Tuesday were reminded of the shortcomings of Windows Vista a day before Microsoft is expected to reveal the first beta for its follow-up, Windows 7.

Microsoft Investigative Consultant Michael Dunner asked attendees how many of them have used Vista as he gave a presentation on the security differences between that OS and Windows 7.

When people in the audience raised their hands, Dunner then asked, "How many of you like it?" Only about half of those who acknowledged using Vista raised their hands.

Dunner also called Vista's User Account Control (UAC) feature "annoying" and one of its "biggest problems," to which one audience member responded, "Yes, it is annoying."

Problems with UAC have been widely publicized and even spoofed by television commercials from competitor Apple. The feature was meant to improve the security of Vista by preventing users without administrative privileges from making unauthorized changes to a PC. But because of how it was set up, it can prevent even authorized users from being able to access applications and features through a series of screen prompts that interrupt normal user workflow to ask for account privileges.

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer is expected to unveil the Windows 7 beta during his keynote Wednesday at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.

Microsoft has publicly acknowledged the limitations of UAC. The company has called it one of Vista's most "controversial" features and has said it will improve the feature in Windows 7 to make it more efficient and to reduce the number of prompts users receive.

Dunner's comments and the lackluster audience response to Vista Tuesday was evidence of users' overall disappointment with the OS, which many view as a failure for Microsoft. In addition to problems consumers have reported, many business customers have opted to skip Vista and run Windows XP until Windows 7 is available.

28 comments

Anonymous 50 weeks ago
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Anonymous 1 year ago
It's interesting reading these old posts by all these people claiming how wonderful Vista was. Microsoft couldn't get Windows 7 out fast enough and looking back it's been accepted that Vista was an abject FAILURE and history will only remember that horrible OS as such. Let this be a lesson to NEVER listen to the clueless Microsoft lemmings who tell everyone how great Microsoft products are and who don't see problems that were blatantly obvious to everyone else.
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Anonymous 3 years ago
my computer is in the term of japanese language and i want to change it in an english language!how do i fix it????please help me....windows vista-HOME PREMIUM is my computer....hope you could help me!
Anonymous 3 years ago
UAC is a classic example of Microsoft's BIG BROTHER attitude towards computer users. Per Microsoft, even though I bought the dang thing, I don't have the right to use it as I wish, even if that means I screw it up. I've been programming and using computers for over 40 years, and I like to have manual control over them. I appreciate the attempts by Microsoft to provide security for my system, especially where the internet is concerned, but UAC is just over the top. Every time I install a new application, I can't just start it and walk away, because UAC is going to stop it and wait for permission to proceed every time the installer runs a different executable. And then there's apps it just doesn't like because they want to mess with the system like my registry cleaner (RegCure), even though the Windows registry is a total mess, and the Microsoft OS does nothing to manage it, so an aftermarket app is the only way to keep things under control. Anyway, I've disabled UAC on my system, and the world hasn't come to an end. Now, if I could just get Vista to run my legacy DOS apps.....
Anonymous 3 years ago
Windows Vista Sucks and Vista 6.1 AKA Windows 7 Sucks 2 long live the Penguin!!
Anonymous 3 years ago
run MSCONFIG, go to last tab on right, scroll down to "disable UAC", and reboot. So long sucka!!
Anonymous 3 years ago
Why don't you just come out and say that Microsoft was blatantly copying Linux (Ubuntu) when they created UAC? I mean, come on - in Ubuntu Linux even if you were the one that setup the PC you have your own account separate from root. If you try to do something on Ubuntu that your privelege does not allow, it prompts you for the "root" password So many things in Vista are blatant rip-offs of both Mac OS X (based on UNIX anyway) and Linux it's not funny - from UAC, to the sidebar, Aero, screen and window effects, and more...the "new" versions of Windows are oh so....COPIED!
Anonymous 3 years ago
vista is cool, and not conforming to those lame apple commercials makes me feel even cooler... i turned UAC off and everything works like windows.. what sucks about windows has nothing to do with UAC, but it's that 70's style CP/M command line... nobody likes and nobody uses it and everyone hates it. which brings me to my next point...The linux kernel is by far the best and most optimized o/s .. building drivers into the kernel is really the way things should be done. thus, windows and apple should seriously build compatible gui layers ontop of the linux kernel. There's no reason why we have to have all these different types of executable binaries..
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mburton325 3 years ago
For all those going off about the article please look at the source.Now with that said. Linux and apple people how many times do you have to log in as admin from a user accout? Another words its time for the the pot to quit calling the kettle black. After spending the last day and a half in emergency response due to the latest virus I find myself wish we had Vista and the UAC. OS 10X and Linux is no better or worse then Windows, and this arguement is long past old.Elizabeth Montalbano do something useful for a change instead of this smearing campaign that you and IT World seems to be on.
Anonymous 3 years ago
My XPPro machine died recently and I ended up getting an HP Verde with 64bit Vista. I've had no trouble installing or running the programs I had on my XP machine except one(and the vendor is updating that program).The UAC is behaving the way I thought it was supposed to in XP. I don't find it particularly onerous or difficult if the OS is less vulnerable to attack. The fact that Elizabeth Montalbano reports this as a flaw or failing says more about the attitudes of these so called experts than the actual behavior of Vista
Anonymous 3 years ago
I don't understand the hate being placed on uac. I type a password on openSuse and i have no problem with it. Maybe its just the way Microsoft designed it or those who dislike it don't really understand it's purpose. I only used Vista for a few months to test it out before opensuse 11 was released and there is more issues with vista than uac. I think Windows 7 needs more stably and gets better memory management.Only reason why vista sucked for me. If they fix that it should be fine but if 7 needs at least 2 gigs minimum to run then I won't even think about using it let alone buying it.Although if windows 7 would come with kde 4.x preinstalled or a special edition i'd defiantly buy a copy. Everyone knows microsoft loves having many version of their os. Understandable for linux not so much for windows.All they really need is standard,business,and education edition.
Anonymous 3 years ago
I've been using Vista since it came out, and was even experimenting with it a bit in Beta. The biggest problem with Vista's UAC is the horribly poor software software installed on it.Many programs are still written to write configuration data within the "Program Files" folder, which is one of the areas protected by UAC (by default). Even enterprise level programs like Lotus Notes or Client Access do this, along with a good number of games that casual users will play. Add to that all the ActiveX controlsInternet Explorer add ons most sites want to install, and I can easily see how the average user would be greatly annoyed by UAC prompts just from casual use. If you install Java so you can view many of the sites out there that use Java, you'll be hit by UAC everytime it wants to update (which seems fairly often).I understand the point behind UAC, I think it's fairly well thought out, and the architecture behind it has made it pretty simple to run a machine with non-administrative privileges. The development community (all those programmers writing the code we enjoy on our PCs) needs to step up to the plate and realize they're not programming for Windows 95 anymore, the platform has changed several times over since then. Windows is now in it's 6.X implementation, which is a far cry from the 9X or NT3.X many of these applications seem architected towards. If the development community would even step up to writing apps for the NT5.0 kernel (Win2k, which is 9 years old now) UAC would not be the annoyance that it is for 95% of the people that use it.
Anonymous 3 years ago
Why not release a service pack for Vista that gets rid of the annoying UAC feature? Enough talk, we all hate it. Get rid of it. Each day I live with my Vista, I'm reminded how Microsoft screwed me over. Fix the UAC on Vista.
Anonymous 3 years ago in reply to Anonymous
There is no need for a Vista UAC fix because the fix is already there. Turn it off in the User Accounts control panel. Microsoft didn't "screw you over". They provided an option for those that don't like something about their product. Unlike companies who force you to use only their hardware so that they can lay (false) claim to being bug free. I own a Macbook PC and many Windows PCs. I am a Certified technician for both. Macs are over engineered PCs with some of the same problems as Windows. The fact that they have so many problems with such limited hardware support speaks volumes to the low quality of their programers and testers.
Anonymous 3 years ago
"Vista is such a waste and honestly most of the Windows OS systems are a waste"OK, I've heard this way too many times to let this go by without comment again. I use nearly every modern OS in existance as a part of my normal work life. I do not find one substantially better than the others overall. What I do find is that certain things are better in one over the other -- and therefore might please some users over the other.Pretending that MacOS or Linux are obviously superior to Windows (Vista or not) is just being biased towards your own choice.I know plenty of Mac lovers. For years they've had to deal with Sad Mac blowups. But a sad mac screen is cute, unlike the Windows blue screen so they think its somehow ok.And honestly, Linux builds still have a way to go before the bulk of the user community can handle it.And lets face it, Apple's ability to have complete control over the hardware platform gives it a HUGE advantage over Windows or Linux. A very large portion of the bug issues in Windows are hardware driver related. Same with Linux, or the lack of availability of drivers. I like Macs, and they certainly have the cool factor for now. But lets face it, Apple gives you much less choice by locking you to their hardware. So I'd prefer to have Windows or Linux.
Anonymous 3 years ago
I have no problems at all with limited user accounts on windows XP Pro, have no idea about xp home since I have never used it. I am a sysadmin with 120 limited user accounts and they have no problem except for the occasional bitch about not being able to install software. I run limited xp pro accounts on my personal laptop and desktops with out any problems. I also am running Vista Ultimate 64 on one of my home desktops without any problems with UAC, very little requests which I can take care of with an id and password for an admin account. I like Ultimate 64, very fast and responsive, will admit to having 8 GB ram. I do not like vista 32 bit, it is not responsive or very fast and yes I turned off UAC on it, was a pain with all the requests plus it did not deliver any benefits over XP pro.
Anonymous 3 years ago
I question the negative press hype about Vista. The only people I've talked to that dislike Vista don't have it installed on their PCs. I can however understand many companies holding back on upgrades from XP. The rewards for upgrading are more subtle and hard to quantify $ wise because XP works pretty well.But over time as new computers are purchased it would be silly to skip Vista. I use multiple PCs on a regular basis. Some have XP, some Vista, some Win 2003 server (and also some Linux, and MacOS). When I'm not on Vista I find myself missing some things that are just done better on that OS.Little things like the better IP stack make all kinds of things run more quickly and smoothly. UAC is a little pain, but you can certainly deal with it. Everyone complained for years that MS didn't take security seriously but then they also complain whem MS implements something that verify the user wants a program to do a privilaged operation.

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