Not Just an Experiment: Guy Kawasaki's Alltop.com
As an Apple evangelist, you were probably more responsible than most for making Apple a household name. So you're used to this sort of thing. What advice do you have for someone who wants to build an unknown web company into a recognized brand?
I think the start is always, do you provide something useful? And you're right about bringing up the Apple example, because quite frankly, at the time, the so-called TechCrunch crowd was saying, "what's the big deal, Xerox PARC did this ten years ago. It's been done. Frankly I could write a user interface like this in half an hour." But, they didn't! It's a strange world. So I guess one piece of advice to the entrepreneur is just ignore these people and just go for it.
Truemors and Alltop are still fairly new, how successful are they?
They are making money but not in the sense that most people would mean. They're making money because we don't pay ourselves, it's an extremely low cost kind of thing. Neither of them are proven as businesses yet. On the other hand, let's say our burn rate for each one is $3,000 a month. At $3,000 a month, you can go a long time to prove that it will work or won't work, whereas if you did a typical startup and you're burning a quarter million a month, guess what?
You're going to come to the end of that pretty quickly.
It's a very different world. And that's kind of where we are.
So as a venture capitalist, what do you look for when someone comes to you with an idea for a dotcom company and they have their hand out for $5 million?
Honestly the answer these days is, $5 million is insane to try to raise for a dotcom company. We know what can be done with an extreme of $12,000, or at least a quarter million, you should be able to do something and show us more than just a back of an envelope. It's a very different world.
Do you ever go back to a dotcommer with a business plan that's been presented to you and say, "Hey, you don't need that much money, I started my own dotcom with 12,000 bucks"?
All the time. Now, no one can say that you're talking out of your butt. Because I've done it.
Everybody's seen the Internet go through phases, in the early days it was
all small companies, brand new things, dotcoms starting up in dorm rooms, then
it got larger and the companies got huge. Is the ability to create a web company with less money with existing tools changing the nature of the Web again, swinging
the pendulum back in favor of smaller entrepreneurs?
It's got to. One of the things I've learned is that you really have no idea which company will fail or succeed when you're starting, you really don't. Retroactively you can say yes, I knew that this one would be successful. But the truth is, you didn't know, because you also made 19 other bets that failed. So if you really knew that one would succeed, then why'd you bet on the other 19, did you know those would be successful too? So the key here is now instead of 20 bets, there can be 200 bets or 2000 bets because they're so much cheaper to bet.
It seems like minimally-funded dotcoms like this represents a whole new category of dotcoms, or maybe even the foundation of a new dotcom boom, true?
I hope so. For $50 grand, if you can try something, absolutely. Yes.
Do you think there are a lot of people out there that are actually making money, if not huge amounts, at least small amounts of money, with small time back pocket funded ventures?
Absolutely. And blogs, too. I know there's a lot of fashion blogs that I think people would be amazed at how much money they make.
What's next for you? Is Truemors and Alltop just the first two of a series of many similar Web companies?
The truth is, I don't know. But I will tell you that, at these kinds of prices, it's easy to try more stuff.