Can you trust Chinese computer equipment?

China may not only be breaking into Google's network, but giving people deliberately bugged technology gear. Can we trust any technology that comes from China?

By sjvn  45 comments

As you surely know, Google has accused China of hacking into its systems and is considering pulling out of China altogether. The U.S. government is taking this seriously, and Google has partnered with the NSA (National Security Agency) to get to the bottom of this. What you may not know is that the United Kingdom's MI5 -- Americans can think of this as a combination of the FBI and CIA -- has reported that the Chinese government has been giving UK executives electronics with built-in security holes.

According to the Sunday Times, "A leaked MI5 document says that undercover intelligence officers from the People's Liberation Army and the Ministry of Public Security have also approached UK businessmen at trade fairs and exhibitions with the offer of 'gifts' and 'lavish hospitality.' The gifts -- cameras and memory sticks -- have been found to contain electronic Trojan bugs which provide the Chinese with remote access to users' computers."

That's bad. But why, if these stories are true, should the Chinese government stop there? U.S. and British citizens buy billions of dollars every year of Chinese-made USB memory sticks, computers, hard drives, and cameras. Why not just add security holes as a matter of course to the firmware of all of them?

It's not hard. Heck. It's trivial.

Backdoors, systems with a deliberate security hole that allows its creator full access to a system, have been around for ages. Indeed, back in 1983, Ken Thompson, one the creators of Unix, admitted that he had included a backdoor in early Unix versions. Thompson's backdoor gave him access to every Unix system then in existence.

If China's government really is hell-bent on keeping an eye on American and European businesses, why not just incorporate 21st century backdoors into their products? Then, you could just have them automatically call home to do a data dump of documents. If there's anything interesting in the files, it can be set to monitor its user on a regular basis.

There's nothing difficult about doing this. Not only are backdoors easy to create, running an automatic check for words of interest, even in terabytes of documents, just requires some servers. After all, Google does it every day with far more data than such a plot could ever uncover.

Best of all, if I'm a government snoop, once my broken machines are in place, it doesn't matter how good its users are about PC security. The malware is already on the equipment and ready to go.

Sure, if a company or government agency uses top network security they may spot the illegal activity, but how many actually have crack security analysts? Far fewer than you might think. It's easier to just put down any problem to some more mundane malware infection than to consider that the computers themselves were designed to be working for an enemy.

Do I think this is happening? I honestly don't know. I have no proof. What I do know though is that it's easy to do, hard to detect, and the Chinese government appears to be engaging in a massive IT espionage. That's a worrisome combination.

If I were in charge of any enterprise where I thought I had any reason to think that these Chinese authorities might be interested in what I was doing, I'd stop buying Chinese computer products today. Until this issue of Chinese cyber-espionage has been cleared up and cleaned up, I simply couldn't justify buying or using hardware that might be working against me. If you consider it for a minute, I think you'll agree.

45 comments

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seanb209 28 weeks ago
I can't help but think just how disturbing this news is. China has really stepped it up with their hacking attacks lately. They hacked the Pentagon recently and there was another story I read about electronics equipment from China that had security holes in it. I'm boycotting China's crap. I will never buy another Chinese made electronics device. There doing this for a reason, I bet you they will be the first to launch a massive cyber attack, mark my words.
Anonymous 1 year ago
Maybe if the electronics are bought by a large US firms or govt. agencies otherwise I doubt they would care about the avg american citizen and is nothing more than paranoia. Unless that if they like reading:"OMG school sux" "I h8 it too LOL""Ur hawt" "No your hotter"
Anonymous 1 year ago
So clearly James Bond sneaking and assassinating is acceptable, because he's the epitome of a "classical spy".
Anonymous 1 year ago
A few years ago there was concern expressed by the US military (Navy) about sources of hardware used in ship-based computers (AEGIS?). 'Twas inferred that something odd was discovered on hardware.IC's may be designed and prototyped, and some manufactured in the US, but, due to cost, they're 'mostly' put on boards in Asia. Be it the Taiwan companies, or the Taiwan divisions operating in the ROC, it's being made 'over there'. We'd be fools not to see this setup as being the perfect 'trojan-horse', hardware style.
Anonymous 2 years ago
Sorry, my response above was posted under "Anonymous", when my computer crashed... could it be spyware? ;-}The remarks under 1) and 2) above, as well as the conclusion, should be attributed to 'SmokyMark'.
Anonymous 2 years ago
It is one thing to try to avoid buying a Chinese-made computer or memory stick. It is another thing entirely to try and avoid Chinese-made memory cards, hard drives, etc, in store-shelf computers and peripherals. The most effective way to avoid those is to have a custom-built system and insist on specific parts - even then you will need to source non-Chinese made parts...Don't forget your i-Pads, Palms, iPhones, etc... their components may also be compromised. Of course, if you control internet access as rigidly as the Chinese, it is far easier to prevent unauthorized data transfers out than it is here in the wild (open) West...The other alternative that I see, and I am not sure this would be completely effective, would be to back up ALL data on other media (DVD's, tapes, etc) and then hard-delete the originals. This would have to be done while off-line, to prevent invisible background transfers...
Anonymous 2 years ago
Of all the bone-headed foolishness I see written about "The Chinese" this is some of the worst, most ignorant, misleading stupidity I have seen. I'm not sure this BS would even pass muster by the how-low-can-you-go "standards" at Fox News. This stuff is inherently racist, in addition to being incredibly naive and, oh yeah, *wrong* (not that false reporting matters in today's news environment - just fix it later, if anybody notices)."The Chinese" don't manufacture hi-tech products, *hundreds* of private companies in China do, and a great many of those are owned by *Taiwanese* (you might have heard of some - Acer, Asus, HTC? Ring a bell?). There is no Chinese manufacturing monolith, and no, the government can't just order the manufacturers to comply with some nefarious plot to bug your fake iPhone. I worked in the Asian IT industry for 20 years. If this guy had even an inkling of understanding of the industry this never would have been written. And you have to wonder where the editors of this site were when this got approved for publication. Or does the word "blog" automatically absolve the author of any pretense to professionalism? Oh, I forgot, there are no standards worth mentioning in American "journalism" any more. Sorry.This guy admits he has zero proof for these ridiculous assertions but it doesn't stop him from mouthing off (for which, no doubt he gets paid). Then he draws the ridiculous conclusion that "China" is up to world-wide and pervasive intelligence hi-jinks based on leaked second hand reports of a few British executives supposedly being offered compromised electronics. And he writes this junk with a straight face? It would go better as a comedy piece. Is this barely concealed "Yellow Peril"-in-another-guise garbage the best this site can do? And is the author really so naive as to think that only big, bad China has government espionage organizations pursuing an industrial as well as a political brief? Oh, and by the way, just as one example, in case accuracy, as opposed to slop, actually matters to this site, it's "MI6" that is analogous to the CIA.And since when did China suddenly become "The Enemy"?
Anonymous 2 years ago
US contractors also do this with freebies they give to US reps, their staff members, and other gov't officials. If I buy a Chinese consumer-level product and it bugs me and sends my data out or what have you, fine. You know why? That means they're doing it on a big enough scale that that there's no way they'd be able to analyze even a small fraction of the data -- the exact problem the NSA ran into when they bugged everything.Frankly, I'm more concerned with zombie-bot attacks, and other cyber-warfare that could be conducted via my computer if it had these back doors.While you are certainly paranoid (not without reason), please have some evidence to back up your claims. You said that these back doors aren't hard to bake into consumer products -- it's also not hard to find them. Put your money where your mouth is and go find some back doors in built into Chinese consumer products
Anonymous 2 years ago
Stop buying Chinese computer products? Escaping Death and the IRS would be easier.
Anonymous 2 years ago
since the west has been ruling the tech all these days u cannot point out china for doing this,US has been the foremostleader in spying all these days.
Anonymous 2 years ago
I have no difficulty believing that, although the scale of such an undertaking would strain any organization. I think the vast majority of us already know that China can't be trusted. China's entire foreign and trade policy is not just to succeed in competition, but to succeed while making sure everyone else fails. The end result of China's vision is a one world china because its avarice, paranioa, and insecurity can not allow it abide any other nation or organization to exist that may act in opposition to its goals for supremacy. China is driven by a insane level of nationalism and culturalism not seen since Tojo's reign in japan.
Anonymous 2 years ago
points the finger at those dastardly Chinese, whom we - it is strongly implied, but not actually claimed (for that might be actionable under the UK libel laws) can never, never trust. When someone like this author starts noticing the mote (which may or may not be there - a little ambiguity never hurts !) in his neighbour's eye, it's time for us to start inquiring about the beam in his own - like good old Echelon, which for some reason he never mentions. What's going on over at Menwith Hills, signature «sjvn» ?...Henri
Anonymous 2 years ago
so this isn't really a new idea. Besides doesn't Echelon make this all roughly moot?People seem to have forgotten all about Echelon.
Anonymous 2 years ago
so this isn't really a new idea. Besides doesn't Echelon make this all roughly moot?People seem to have forgotten all about Echelon.
Anonymous 2 years ago
But he has zero evidence that they have bugged "everyones" devices.... what is your point?
Anonymous 2 years ago
There is skype, and there is cheaper than skype.Can we trust "free" voip?Who is funding them ... isn't this like echelon, the easy way?LL.
Anonymous 2 years ago
While in China I bought 3 computers, installed a Linux firewall on them to function as a barrier for our network. These 3 machines kept crashing almost every night, rarely lasting more than 3 days. The systems would be hosed and had to be re-installed. When I then put Windows on them, the crash problem seemed to go away but then these systems were useless for the intended purpose. This backdoor hacking may explain what was happening.
Anonymous 2 years ago
No country has a more comprehensive spy program then the United States. Whatever China can do, the US can do much better in that department. I think the recent aligations against China for hacking gmail accounts is an example. If the US did this to Chinese citizens emails... China would be unlikely to know about it... let alone the email hosting company finding out about it (like Google did).As far as having network hardware modified to include malware, Trojan, viruses, bots or whatever... the US has done and admitted as much with pride. It was used in the first Gulf War via specially infected network printers. Check it out.Other printer companies do this without telling the public. These are commercial printers made by several US manufacturers and are widely dispersed across the world in business and residence. These printers attach "invisible" watermarks on the printed output which can later be used to identify the original and individual printer used to create that page. This is also common knowledge and you can prove it to yourself if you have one of these printers and some minor additional equipment.I would suggest that if such "tampered" hardware is coming from China that it was more likely that China put said component in said device was because some US company or agency requested it be so.I don't deny China is in the surveillance business (like all International trade countries). But having said this, China is not the one to worry about. Assuming you live within the US, your primary concern for illegal surveillance of your network data is the US government itself.The current mood appears to be highly forgiving of such by their citizens. Or maybe it is the media who doesn't properly portray the real sentiment of their people. Strange.
Anonymous 1 year ago in reply to Anonymous
actually i think you'll find domestic surveillance in britain is worse! it;s the nation of CCTV cameras. automatic number plate recognition is used throughout the major road network. all detected journeys and times are kept for years (perhaps longer!). just one example. britain is scary.
Anonymous 2 years ago
OS/X is based on FreeBSD but it's not open itself. So you can't trust Windows or OS/X. They are both closed source.

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