Microsoft's Charney suggests 'Net tax to clean computers

The company recently used the U.S. court system to shut down the Waledac botnet

By Robert McMillan, IDG News Service |  Software 19 comments

How will we ever get a leg up on hackers who are infecting computers worldwide? Microsoft's security chief laid out several suggestions Tuesday, including a possible Internet usage tax to pay for the inspection and quarantine of machines.

Today most hacked PCs run Microsoft's Windows operating system, and the company has invested millions in trying to fight the problem.

Microsoft recently used the U.S. court system to shut down the Waledac botnet, introducing a new tactic in the battle against hackers. Speaking at the RSA security conference in San Francisco, Microsoft Corporate Vice President for Trustworthy Computing Scott Charney said that the technology industry needs to think about more "social solutions."

That means fighting the bad guys at several levels, he said. "Just like we do defense in depth in IT, we have to do defense in depth in [hacking] response."

"I actually think the health care model ... might be an interesting way to think about the problem," Charney said. With medical diseases, there are education programs, but there are also social programs to inspect people and quarantine the sick.

This model could work to fight computer viruses too, he said. When a computer user allows malware to run on his computer, "you're not just accepting it for yourself, you're contaminating everyone around you," he said.

The idea that Internet service providers might somehow step up in the fight against malware is not new. The problem, however, is cost.

Customer calls already eat into service provider profits. Adding quarantine and malware-fixing costs to that would be prohibitive, said Danny McPherson, chief research officer with Arbor Networks, via instant message. "They have no incentive to do anything today."

So who would foot the bill? "Maybe markets will make it work," Charney said. But an Internet usage tax might be the way to go. "You could say it's a public safety issue and do it with general taxation," he said.

According to Microsoft, there are 3.8 million infected botnet computers worldwide, 1 million of which are in the U.S. They are used to steal sensitive information and send spam, and were a launching point for 190,000 distributed denial-of-service attacks in 2008.

19 comments

    Anonymous 1 year ago
    As long as those running Linux are tax exempt, I'm all for this :).
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    I have a great idea for solving the problem. Lets pass a law that outlaws Microsoft from selling/licensing any more of its products and then distribute any current source code, business operations, buildings, money, etc, to free software organizations and for-profit organizations held by non-profits. We'll call it the Microsoft tax that has come due to pay for the damage the company has done. This will hopefully help offset the costs of rebuilding the Internet into something that is safer. Microsoft is the problem and has cost non-MS Windows enterprises/users money from all the (*@(@ that goes on. Mostly due to infected MS Windows computers that are part of botnets which make spam so difficult to fight.
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    Sure, Microsoft deserves their share of lumps for several reasons: Their software and operating systems are on 90 to 95 per cent of the PCs in the world, they do have a very spotty record in software security, and they are big, sometimes slow-moving, and wealthy. A more opportune target for criticism would be hard to pick.However, for those who suggest simply "buy a Mac," you're obviously ignoring all the security vulnerabilities that have to be patched regularly on that platform. So, that's not really an option.For those Penguinistas, good luck on getting the other 99+ per cent of the world's PC users to make an instant switch to your favored solution. Let me know how that's working for you. And saying that, I really do like Linux -- I use it myself, along with Windows.And finally, for anyone who thinks that _any_ operating system is going to be perfectly secure, you're living in a fantasy world. As long as computers are going to be communicating over the present internet, there will be ways for criminals to misuse other people's computers. Take that as an article of faith -- I haven't seen anything since the internet went public to make me think otherwise.So, with those preambles out of the way, what solutions do we have? The ISPs are the people providing the pipes, so they're in a very advantageous position to at least do a first-cut attack on the problem. If they signed quantity licensing deals with established makers of high-quality security software, they could make it a Terms of Service requirement that clients connecting to their networks would have to be running certain products and services. This could be encoded into their licensing with government authorities, if necessary. The customers would pay for the licensing of the security software through their usage fees to the ISPs. Is it a tax? No, it's a usage fee -- pure, simple, and paid where the cost needs to be paid. Is it iron-clad, and something that will completely solve the problem? No, but it's a darn sight better than the situation we have in too many places today. Are people going to squawk? Sure -- people have to have _something_ to whine about, but see my answer to the previous question.One thing that could be done to encourage the proliferation of diversity in the PC space would be to insure that any software required to be installed on ISP users' computers support at least Linux, Mac OS X, and recent versions of Windows.Is this something anyone is interested in advocating? Don't know -- what does the public think?
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    How about this. People should simply stop using Windows. We should make an effort to put an end to the Microsoft monoculture in the desktop IT market. There are plenty of OSs out there that work better than Windows does.If Microsoft really wants to use the health care system as a model then we should look at efforts to rehabilitate alcohol and drug dependants. The rehabilitation of Windows dependants is a worth while cause.
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    Another braindead idea from the braindead people that brought you Vista- "the operating system that would save the computing world"-LMFAO. If we had them pay a $50 retroactive charge for every faulty system they produced and sold in the last 15 years That would be a great start!
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    Yes, you could indeed just buy a Mac. A fine idea there.
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    Or you could just buy a MAC.hahahahahaha
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    It sounds as if Microsoft loves the profits that come with its huge market share, but doesn't want to accept the associated costs of secure computing. i.e., their profits are, of course, private - but they would like their costs in the area of secure computing to be socialized.Sounds familiar huh? Privatize profits and socialize losses. Can you say "bailout"?Where's the "innovation" Microsoft is always bragging about?
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    I see. Write defective software that is vulnerable to malware and viruses, then charge the poor consumer to fix your buggy OS.How about fixing the code, instead of charging the consumer?I know that's crazy talk.
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    If Microsoft didn't issue software ridden with so many security flaws, the problem wouldn't have reached the magnitude it has. Therefore I propose that MICROSOFT be taxed (and in such a way that the cost can't simply be passed on to its customers) for a problem which in large part is one of its own making,
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    Microsoft is the only one who needs to be taxed for putting out such non-robust software. I use linux and have no trouble with Microsoft windows viruses. Microsoft management has their you know what up their you know what. Suggesting additional taxes in a down economy could only be suggested by a Computer Challenged Manager.
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    if they're going to tax those who cause the problems sure. then all the windoze users will have to switch to linux and the world will be a better place anyway.btw, no comments from ballmer yet?
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    So I want personally at least 0.01% of the global tax????I mean that's starting to get ridiculous, they release faulty products and instead of fixing their products on their own costs (as is the usual way in most industries), they want a general tax?Guess some legislation that allows software sellers to be sued and forced to provide a product that performs as advertised (or have you've seen any ads from MS explaining how dangerous their software is) would be a good idea.
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    This guy has just demonstrated a complete lack of awareness of the problem or a total disregard for thinking people.His comments are an insult to people who are better qualified and more honest than he.The Microsoft Windows problem is caused by the Microsoft Corporation and don't let anyone tell you different and I propose a 'Clean Up Microsoft Tax' to be introduced immediately by every world government/parliament/congress/junta etc to bring this obscene problem to heel. The people of this planet have suffered too long at the hands of these greedy and uncaring overlords. Thank you for reading.
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    Being a huge supporter of open source software, the idea Microsoft proposes such a ludicrous 'solution' would be laughable if they weren't serious. The fact that all the exploits and problems inherent in Microsoft software come from poor programming, minimal bug testing, and a closed source mantra means that Microsoft should be paying this tax. It would be the equivalent of Toyota proposing everyone pay taxes to fix those faulty accelerators because those cars were driven on public roads. The real solution is to move more computers to a more secure platform, as obviously, Microsoft fails miserably at providing a stable OS.
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    How ironic that possibly the richest corporation in the entire wold both vehemently denies that they sell products with very poor or no security design at all and deny problems exist when real world people report exploits to them as a favor, and then a guy from the same company wants _us_ to pay to help clean up the filth the same company both helped create and continues to sustain through negligence/arrogance and just plain greed. Why should the rest of us --those not using Windows or even those who legally purchase Windows be taxed to clean up what Microsoft has known they were doing for years. If Windows were a car, a court-ordered recall would have been isssued YEARS ago!
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    simple solution; switch OS away from Windoze
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    I don't own or use a single Microsoft product, why should I pay to clean their act up.I think a better solution would be a 300% tax on all Microsoft products.
    Anonymous 1 year ago
    The same company that is causing a lot of the problems is requesting taxation to fix it?If all the users of the world actually used proper security preferences and software to stop this stuff, there wouldn't be a problem.Stop running in Admin mode people, that's 90% of it right there.

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